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A dedicated board for politics can help to contain the contentious topics so they (hopefully) don't appear in other boards. So if the politics board goes away, it would be best to have a "no political discussion" rule for all boards.

also a newbie to this conversation. i do think its interesting that the majority of people i've seen say there's no need for this message board are conservatives who's 'political opinion' is that i and people like me don't deserve the same rights as them.

to be clear, i don't necessarily mean you're among them (although i'm admittedly hard-pressed to believe that anyone who calls themselves a conservative and is supportive of conservative policies isn't), but how could you possibly be here feeling attacked and criticized when the only opinion i've seen be attacked and criticized is 'lgbt people don't deserve rights' or something of that nature?

to be frank with you, the ardent support of my community on this board─the stuff you've just called 'constant criticism and getting angry that can't be good for anyone's mental health'─has been absolutely amazing. i've loved it and i've loved seeing it. i've felt safer in this community with people i've never met than i do visiting the town where my grandmother lives and speaking with her close friends.

if we can't get angry at and criticize people who have decided that an administration or policies that have caused measurable, evidenced, extreme amounts of harm to both our country and many minority groups isn't a deal breaker for them, regardless of their own personal opinion on said minorities, then what do you think is reasonable for us to get angry about?

Bravo, excellent reply!

Who said that? I've read through most of the posts and I didn't see any post about taking away rights, other than the original post which mistakenly thought Trump was trying to revoke marriage licenses. Miss Moon provided two links that same day that Kim Davis's case was before SCOTUS. Kim's case was not accepted. Phew!

Help clear this up so we can rain down scorn on those haters on AQ who think you don't deserve rights.

i don't think it's been said as such word for word but going through even this thread alone there's been a couple people who have been particularly outspoken against trans people ;0 i also am of the belief that actions speak louder than words; while i try to be understanding and give people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to their beliefs, there's only so much ignorance i can forgive before i have to believe its malicious.

(i dont feel the need to respond to those people in particular when plenty has already been said on the topic but yknow. if anyone wants to hear the many many reasons 'its biology' is an insane argument against transness, let me know lol)

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You are correct in that you do not actually know me, though we have met. I believe that all people should have the same rights. A challenge in today's society is that people think rights are what they want when rights are actually specific and defined.

Did I say that I feel attacked and criticized? I do not remember saying that. I thought that I said that people attack and criticize one another. I will have to go back and read my own post. LOL. My statement was intended to be in general and not about me. My skin is thicker than that.

I am sad to read that you feel less safe visiting your own grandmother. That is not right, and if your grandmother lives anywhere near me, I would be happy to visit her town with you and have your back. While I may get flack for saying this -- although anybody who knows me probably already knows it -- I am a Christian. My Jesus says that we are to love everyone. It does not cost people anything to be kind.

You can absolutely get angry. You (any you, not only you specifically) can disagree. My point is that people should be able to discuss and disagree without name-calling, hate, and vitriol -- none of which are productive or provides solutions. That does not seem to be what happens on this, specific message board.

Back to when I said that we have met. We were both at an event together in October. We exchanged pleasantries and chatted briefly a few times. I thought that you looked great at the gala and told you so. I did not have a problem with you, and I do not think that you had one with me.

When people get on here, behind a screen, it seems that a mob mentality takes over, and we forget that we are talking to actual people on the other side. Sometimes it is people with whom we agree. Sometimes it is people with whom we disagree. Sometimes it is even people with whom we letterbox.

Thank you, Ryan. Perhaps I was mistaken. I will figure out how to ignore and appreciate your clarification.

Rocklun, thank you kindly for those instructions. No, I do not think that I went through those steps. I will.

Thank you for sharing your other thoughts. I can agree that in over fourteen years of letterboxing, I have encountered very few people who are actually nasty in person. Something behind being on the other side of a screen seems to change people.

Yes, politics do get people riled up. If folks would speak with less hate and more reason, I suspect that more people would be open to listening to opposing views.

Based on what I learned both as a teacher and in multiple graduate-level human development courses: children are aware of their expected gender-related behavior & socially enforced "identities" by the age of 2, both for themselves and others. Children recognize their sexual identity by the age of 5. I find it interesting how we are so hell-bent on deriving our wisdom from all credible sources except the most credible of all -- countless trans and gay people who have shared their stories.

I also find it fascinating that of all the health and mental health issues you so passionately form opinions about, none of them have anything to do with you, and I wonder how all you so opposed to government oversight being limited in the private arena of our homes are so very comfortable weighing in on subjects that belong between people and their private medical care, all while knowing nothing about that, either. Why aren't you as concerned about the wildly higher incidents of violence against gay & trans people (especially if you just think they're mentally ill, and therefore even more vulnerable) beginning in middle school where they kill themselves in record numbers??!!

Where is your outrage at a christian nation who incarcerates more people than almost any other in the developed world? Or a great christian nation that refuses to feed children and those caring for the physically & mentally disabled (the ones you care so much about)? Where is your outrage at a president who rapes children?

Lastly, everyone here has called you out on your bigotry, and you just keep doubling down, despite your gross incompetence to speak on ANY of the issues you've raised. So it's especially ironic you feel so entitled to weigh in on what a 12-year-old can and cannot understand. (Also bet you money you haven't read them, either.)

But what is truly a stunning and egregious audacity you have to correct a trans person about their own lived experience. It just strains forebearance.

What? Christian nation? Not really sure what you are implying but please do not blame your stated grievances on Christianity. It's simply not accurate to conflate Christianity with national policy. But perhaps your intended message was something different which I failed to grasp.

Yeah, that is kinda the point. We have never been a nation founded on christianity. But even those who favor it, or claim to, aren't very christian, either. And they are making disastrous inroads into politics, courts, schoolboards and our classrooms.

Wow, well your superior intellect certainly put me in my place.
It must be a very proud achievement to obtain all those degrees and multiple graduate level human development courses. I would only be guessing. , but with all that education you must be a teacher at one of those prestigious ivy leagues school.
With your master of the English language, and your ability to articulate your eloquent point. I’m certainly out of my league.
Here I was just sharing my opinion, lije so many have done before me , . But of course some folk just like to hear from others that share their opinion. No.youre so right, I do not feel the need to defend my opinion. What I’ve found in life, is that , I’m not going to change and others opinion, Not even going to try. I think I might have stated this before, you are entitled to your opinion. But I try real hard not to stoop to calling people , whose opinions differ from mine, names.

I have noticed that some folks really enjoy throwing around insulting names.

But like someone else mentioned, I have thick skin. Been called many names throughout my lifetime. My mother always insisted that sticks and stones might break some bones, but names don’t hurt.
Not sure where you’re from, but in my country , we help people the best we can. Now. Again. We probably might not agree on how that help should be applied. But that’s okay, I’ll continue to help out my way, won’t call people insulting names, and I’ll try not to make you , obviously superior intellects , to angry with my opinions.
You have a blessed day. Merry Christmas

all of this back and forth and i am still really confused.
you never answered my question..... why are you on this board? you can ignore it or you can choose to discuss differing opinions in a respectful manner. the choice is yours.

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I offered you all that so you could differentiate between mere opinion & bias (you) & establish some credibility for my position. Contrary to current mores, it does matter. And still you say nothing, make no premise, support no warrant. Now you're just boring me.

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Your refusal to "defend", ie. provide support for your opinion with any sort of facts, reasoning, or logic, renders it just hot air to the thinking world. While a civil discussion involving those things might not change someone else's opinion, it at least can lead to an understanding of how they reached their opinion. If your opinion is so locked in that you're "not even going to try", don't expect others to take you seriously or your opinion as having validity.

I am being very respectful. I’m not the one calling others names , accusing others of being angry or a bigot. Maybe you’re message was for them?

Now I understand what you meant, but I do not completely agree. Many Christian ideals and values were incorporated into the founding of our nation. This does not mean we are a Christian Nation, or a nation which promotes a certain religion to the exclusion of others. There was deliberate effort to separate religion from government. And this separation should be maintained, but not misinterpreted to mean that all mentions of religion in government are forbidden. Because that's just silly.

Our local town has a holiday tree and a menorah in front of town hall. This is common around here. The town is not mandated to display these symbols, but they are free to do so. And that's the way it should be.

So my opinion is basis but yours is true and factual, Again. I do not feel the need to “ prove “ my opinion to you. No need at all,,,, I’ve stated my “ opinion “. You don’t like it. I understand , and I’m perfectly okay with your beliefs, don’t agree with most of them. But i allow you the right to have them and express them. I’m sure you see my point. Have a good day

Some people have severe control issues , they think that things need to be done in a certain fashion, their way. That their way is the only way, the correct way.
An opinion is not necessarily based on on facts, That’s why it’s an opinion.
You do not have to continue with this conversation, if it makes you so uncomfortable. You need to take care of yourself, Stay calm, stay loving,,, You’ll be okay.

I’ve posted this on another board so I apologize if you’ve seen this already. I have lots of older LTCs (some probably around 15 years old) that were passed on to me by another boxer. It must not have been common for the AQ number to be included on the back when these were made. So, fair warning that most do not have the AQ number on the back. Many can be looked up by tracker or trail name. Would anyone want me to send them some? If so, please send me a message instead of posting to this message. That way I don’t worry that I miss someone’s message.

The size and font looks beautiful together too❣️

Not we would expect anything different 😉

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respectful in this case would mean answering a question that you were asked. i have noticed that you do tend to ignore questions that you are asked. perhaps you do not see them? to refresh your memory i have included my original post here. the first quote is from your post. the second quote is my response which includes my question.



so now that your memory is refreshed i seriously am asking....... just why are you on this board?

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No founding father would recognize christianity the way it's (failing to be) practised today. They were men of Reason who believed foundationally in the Establisment Clause. Yet today, people in power use it to justify their bigotry, all while claiming to be practicing some kind of holy mandate. I'm afraid I don't agree with the assumption that including religious iconography is benign or supported constitutionally. If you want to see this carried out to its logical conclusion, imagine a Satanic statue next to your nativity scene, & sit with that fairness for awhile, which brings us to the beginning -- the only truly respectful way is to have none if it because you can t feasibly do ALL if it.

No, yours is bias & judgement, based on incorrect assumptions that you can't be bothered to remedy, and mine is at least based on a good-faith effort to understand.

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Huh? Doesn't every opinion have a slant, i.e, bias? Just about everything said on this thread is like an editorial in that it shares a person's perspective. We'd all be better off if we didn't demand that these perspectives or positions or opinions be justified. This isn't Debate Club. Some people are going to have jackass opinions. Let them. IMO.

An opinion not based on any facts, education, or life experience, as I said, is just hot air.


Patronizing is a poor substitute for an intelligent, or at least relevant, response.

Sure, but the dose makes the poison.