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Elections have Unintended Consequences
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Mar 10, 2025 9:59am
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When the FBI raided the Baltimore County home of Elias N. Costianes in February 2021, they found cocaine, testosterone, marijuana, a scale and guns. “The defendant was a drug dealer,” prosecutors would later say, adding, “he was also armed.” Costianes said he was merely supplying himself and friends.

Last September, a federal judge sentenced Costianes, who pleaded guilty to possessing a gun while using illegal drugs, to a year and a day in federal prison. But Costianes then played a new card: He was also part of the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021, and President Donald Trump had pardoned him.

Costianes claimed that the pardon also covered his gun conviction, because the FBI raid was related to his pardoned actions on Jan. 6.

And the government agreed.

In seven cases around the country, the Justice Department has argued that separate criminal actions uncovered by the Jan. 6 investigation are covered by Trump’s pardon, and the unrelated charges — usually for illegal gun possession — should be dismissed.

In some of the cases, federal prosecutors initially opposed wiping away the unrelated felony convictions. “The convictions did not occur at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021,” prosecutors in D.C. first argued in the case of Dan Edwin Wilson, sentenced to five years for possessing guns after multiple felony convictions. “And thus, by the plain language of the certificate, the pardon does not extend to these convictions.”

But within weeks, Wilson’s prosecutors reversed themselves, saying they had “received further clarity on the intent of the presidential pardon” from the Justice Department and that it did include “a pardon for the firearm convictions to which the defendant pleaded.”

After Trump’s executive order on Jan. 20, the Office of the Pardon Attorney issued individual certificates to almost all of the roughly 1,600 Jan. 6 defendants, which stated that “The pardon applies only to convictions for offenses related to events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.” When courts have pressed the Justice Department for legal reasoning or precedent on why the Jan. 6-adjacent cases should be thrown out, their lawyers have said only that this was Trump’s intent, and courts should defer to “the Executive’s reasonable interpretation of the pardon language.”

The White House declined to comment, and a Justice Department spokesperson did not respond.

George T. Pallas, a Miami lawyer who represents Wilson and two other Jan. 6 defendants with additional charges, said, “A judge, any judge, does not need to interpret what President Trump meant, we know what he meant. He is speaking through his surrogate, the assistant U.S. attorney present in the courtroom. She’s telling the judge what his intent was. That’s the end of the inquiry.”

Though the pardon says it is only for offenses related to the Jan. 6 riot, Pallas said “related” is the key word: Investigators discovered the alleged other crimes only while investigating the riot, and “but for that investigation” the offenses would not have been charged, Pallas said.

Three judges have agreed and thrown out pending cases, including that of Guy Reffitt, who carried a gun into the Capitol on Jan. 6 and then threatened his family if they reported him, landing him an 80-month sentence. When the FBI searched his home in January 2021, they allegedly found a silencer, which is illegal, and he was charged in federal court in Texas.

Video footage of the Capitol riot on January 6 shows plaintiff Guy Reffitt wearing a tactical-style vest and rinsing his eyes. (Courtesy of FBI)
After Reffitt was released from prison on his Jan. 6 sentence, a Texas judge last week granted the government’s motion to dismiss the silencer case. Judges in D.C. and Maryland also recently dismissed “felon in possession” cases discovered when riot suspects were first arrested.

Some judges, however, have resisted.

In the District, U.S. District Judge Dabney L. Friedrich said in a hearing last month for Wilson that pardons must “have a fixed meaning” on the day they are issued. “The intent cannot evolve over time as new cases are brought to [the president’s] attention,” the Associated Press reported Friedrich as saying. “I don’t think you can just have an open pardon,” Friedrich said. “It can’t be ‘we know it when we see it.’” She has not yet ruled on Wilson’s request, joined by the Justice Department, to vacate his gun convictions.

Three federal appeals courts, in Virginia, Florida and California, have also hesitated to immediately grant the government’s motion to dismiss similar cases pending before them. Costianes was already appealing his sentence to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond when the Jan. 6 pardon came; that court has asked him and the government to file briefs on the issue of whether the pardon applies.

Carol Stewart, Costianes’s lawyer, said in an email the search of Costianes’s house in February 2021 “was intended to find any indication of any crime and then try to make it part of prosecution of” Jan. 6-related crimes. She said Trump “wrote [the pardon] broadly enough to cover searches conducted under J6 warrants … The courts don’t have authority to interpret a pardon when the POTUS has spoken.”

In the case of Jeremy Brown of Florida, his Jan. 6 misdemeanor case was dismissed, but he was convicted at trial in 2022 of possessing classified material and illegally possessing short-barreled guns and live M-67 hand grenades, discovered during a search in September 2021. Sentenced to seven years, the former Army Special Forces soldier appealed the conviction and was awaiting oral argument in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit in Atlanta when the Jan. 6 pardon was issued. He, and the Justice Department, asked the appeals court to order the case dismissed entirely.

At oral argument last week, Judge Adalberto Jordan asked Brown’s lawyer why the pardon covered the Florida case. “Because the Department of Justice has determined that it does,” attorney Michael Ufferman said.

“And that’s not a completely satisfactory answer,” Jordan said. The judge said he could see the gun and grenade charges being covered by the pardon, “but it is not apparent to me that the pardon, even broadly construed, covers” the classified document conviction by a jury.

Jordan asked Assistant U.S. Attorney Holly L. Gershow what guidance she had received from the Justice Department. “We have received limited guidance on this from the department,” Gershow said. She said Justice was reviewing “on a case-by-case basis. And that in this case, the department views these offenses as related to the offenses of the occurrences of January 6th because the documents and the firearms were discovered as a result of a search warrant investigating the events of January 6th.”

The case is pending while Brown decides whether he wants to withdraw his appeal and allow the district court to consider the government’s motion to dismiss. Ufferman did not respond to a request for comment.

Even though Brown received a seven-year sentence for possessing classified material and hasn’t been pardoned or otherwise cleared of the charges, the Federal Bureau of Prisons released him anyway, court records show.

In California, Benjamin John Martin was arrested in September 2021 on felony charges associated with Jan. 6, and agents also found a gun safe with six guns inside. He had previously been convicted of domestic battery and prohibited from owning a gun, and was charged with illegal possession of firearms. Convicted at trial and sentenced in November to more than three years in prison, his case was on appeal when the pardon came.

Martin asked for bail on Jan. 21, while his appeal was being considered, but U.S. District Judge Jennifer L. Thurston ruled that the weapons possession “did not occur at or near the Capitol” and concluded that “the pardon does not cover the conviction.” Martin then asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit in San Francisco to release him on bail — prosecutors initially opposed, then two weeks later supported this — followed by a request to vacate the conviction.

The appeals court declined to throw out the case, but instructed Thurston to set bail for Martin. Instead, Thurston removed herself from the case last week. “Good cause appearing,” Thurston wrote without further clarification, “the assigned District Judge disqualifies herself from all proceedings in the present action.” Another judge then released Martin, who is represented by Pallas.

In two other cases, the government has opposed releasing Jan. 6 defendants facing other charges. In Tennessee, Jan. 6 defendant Edward Kelley is accused of plotting in December 2022 to kill the FBI agents who investigated his Jan. 6 case. Prosecutors on Feb. 18 opposed a motion to dismiss the case, saying it was “about the defendant’s entirely independent criminal conduct in Tennessee, in late 2022, more than 500 miles away from the Capitol … unrelated in both time and place to the events that occurred at or near the United States Capitol on January 6, 2021.”

The judge has not yet ruled on the motion. Kelley’s lawyer did not respond to a request for comment.

And in Washington, prosecutors opposed dismissal of the charges against Taylor Taranto, who was already facing Jan. 6 charges when he was arrested near former president Barack Obama’s D.C. home in July 2023, allegedly with multiple weapons, large capacity magazines and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. “Taranto’s actions in June 2023 in Washington, D.C., were not offenses occurring at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021,” prosecutors responded.

U.S. District Judge Carl J. Nichols, a Trump appointee, rejected Taranto’s request to dismiss the weapons case last month.

But Taranto’s lawyer, Carmen D. Hernandez, said she had asked prosecutors “to reconsider in light of the subsequent dismissals in the various cases.” She said Taranto’s case “fits within the language and intent of the pardon more so than the other cases they’ve dismissed because Taranto’s case was filed as a single indictment in this district.” She argued that “the government implicitly determined that the gun charges were ‘related’ to the J6 charges by filing them together in one indictment,” though Nichols rejected that claim when prosecutors initially opposed it.

Wonder who might later take advantage of people who owe them their freedom from prison?

This is no accident.

Stand back and stand by?

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Where my carvers at?!
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Mar 10, 2025 11:10am
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Hey yall! So after how many years of boxing *counts fingers AND toes*... I'm finally planning my FIRST event!

This event is still in the planning stages, but I've listed a tracker to request themed stamps. All that is for sure so far is that it will be in NC in March of 2026, and it will be FARMERS MARKET/HOMESTEADING themed.

Here is the tracker, if you'd like to donate, let me know! THANK YOUUUUU <3

https://www.atlasquest.com/showinfo.php?trackerId=11992
Re: Where my carvers at?!
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #1037583 by PeachysaurusRex
Mar 10, 2025 11:26am
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Yay! I luv this for you and an already looking forward to it. 😊
Re: Where my carvers at?!
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #1037584 by RDHG
Mar 10, 2025 11:35am
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I figured it's about time! Oh, and I just love to put my hands in too many pots, so I might as well get something going now. LOL
Re: And now, instead of politics....
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #1037575 by MissMoon
Mar 10, 2025 12:28pm
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.......and then all of a sudden the mate comes swooping out of the sky onto the nest.

Oh, I know! What a thrill! I love looking into the background to try to spot them soaring in from the distance. So majestic!
WV eagles
Re: Spring Grove Cemetery
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #1037580 by RDHG
Mar 10, 2025 1:23pm
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Are you going to Spring Grove soon, too?
Re: Where my carvers at?!
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #1037583 by PeachysaurusRex
Mar 10, 2025 1:44pm
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Exciting! I’ll have to see if I have time to carve something for you. Looking forward to seeing the event page so I can see if I can go as well! ;)
Re: Where my carvers at?!
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #1037583 by PeachysaurusRex
Mar 10, 2025 4:43pm
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I can do: barn, watering can, garden tools, fishing, livestock
Re: Spring Grove Cemetery
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #1037587 by koalacat
Mar 10, 2025 5:21pm
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Oh, I will hop over there. Thanks!
Re: Spring Grove again
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #1037531 by koalacat
Mar 10, 2025 5:28pm
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The last time that I went to Spring Grove, there were around 200 letterboxes. I found thirteen and then left. The rain seemed to be coming down in sheets, not drops. Since then I have seen mention of boxes missing or not being retired? That is why I was wondering if anybody has an updated list. It looks like you are also working on that.

A friend and I have been talking about densely planted areas to take a trip, and Ohio came up. We do not have current plans, though. 🙂
Re: Can We Agree on Something?
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037497 by dingus dufus
Mar 10, 2025 6:18pm
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You are proposing another thing on which to disagree.

My suggestion was to come up with something on which we can build a consensus of agreement.
Re: Can We Agree on Something?
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037526 by Baby Bear
Mar 10, 2025 6:25pm
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I suggest you give up. The Left does not want to look for solutions.

I don't think that this is the case.

The friend I had in college and I were on opposite sides. We came to consensus all of the time. If it were left to us, we would have solved all of the world's problems.

We just haven't yet found the subject on which we can start to build a consensus.

I made my suggestion. I welcome someone's suggestion on which to eventually build consensus; not to start another argument but to resolve one. Can we find something?
Re: Can We Agree on Something?
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037528 by dingus dufus
Mar 10, 2025 6:33pm
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Here is a half hour video from a person from Germany living in the United States. She explains the differences in free speech between Germany and the United States.

Perhaps we could build a consensus on a summary of this video. Please limit this to the subject of this video without getting into side comments meant to jab.

Here is my summary to start: In the United States, free speech is allowed to the limit of inciting violence. In Germany, free speech is allowed up to the limit of offending someone's dignity (including politicians' dignity), or of promoting the Nazi Party, Holocaust denial, or promoting views opposed to what the government has ruled as historical facts, etc.
Re: Can We Agree on Something?
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037530 by Green Tortuga
Mar 10, 2025 6:36pm
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I kinda feel like you're just trolling people with comments like that. You can have legitimate disagreements with people without putting them down.

I clicked "disagree" with that comment (the one to which GT was replying) too.

I am trying to build a consensus on something to show that this statement isn't correct. (And I started this thread before this comment was posted.) Can we actually build a consensus on something to proved the above statement (to which GT replied) wrong?
Re: Karma Is A B**ch
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037542 by MissMoon
Mar 10, 2025 6:40pm
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Rapid Unscheduled Disassembly!

I appreciate his humor and self deprecation by using this term.

I would like to meet him sometime. I don't know what I would say to him. I keep changing my mind, and about a third of the time I think it is something he would really not like.
Re: Every Gesture Carries A Message
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037547 by MissMoon
Mar 10, 2025 6:43pm
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Re: Elections have Unintended Consequences
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037581 by dingus dufus
Mar 10, 2025 7:18pm
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Though the pardon says it is only for offenses related to the Jan. 6 riot, Pallas said “related” is the key word: Investigators discovered the alleged other crimes only while investigating the riot, and “but for that investigation” the offenses would not have been charged, Pallas said.

I have said before that the J6 crimes of violence should not have been pardoned. Bringing a gun into the Capitol should also not have been pardoned. However, the pardon power is nearly absolute for federal crimes, by both the current and former president.

From your reading of this:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Should evidence of crimes not specifically mentioned in the warrant be admissible as evidence? (This is a direct question to YOU.) As much as I would like this evidence to also be admitted there is a name for this.

There are nuances to this, that would have to be ruled upon, but then we would have to see the EXACT wording of the search warrant.

Investigators discovered the alleged other crimes only while investigating the riot, and “but for that investigation” the offenses would not have been charged, Pallas said. [...] Costianes was already appealing his sentence to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit in Richmond when the Jan. 6 pardon came; that court has asked him and the government to file briefs on the issue of whether the pardon applies.

The appeals would have likely been on the above issues, but he and his lawyer were willing to take the quick win rather than wait for the greater win (on principle).

Remember, I would be for these charges had the evidence been discovered in some other way. Nevertheless, because of how this evidence was discovered, it would likely have been dismissed in the end anyway. (This is subject to someone posting the EXACT wording of the warrant particularly listing the type of evidence that was found in the search leading to these other convictions.)
Re: Elections have Unintended Consequences
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037599 by Oberon_Kenobi
Mar 10, 2025 7:53pm
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Should evidence of crimes not specifically mentioned in the warrant be admissible as evidence? (This is a direct question to YOU.) As much as I would like this evidence to also be admitted there is a name for this.

Yes, of course, as long as it was discovered when everything was being done legally when the new crime was discovered. The whole "fruit of a poisonous tree" thing doesn't really apply if the search warrant was valid.

Now if the cops searched a place without a warrant and there was no good reason for it and discovered the crime from an illegal search, then the whole poisonous tree thing comes into play.

I am willing to entertain the idea that if there's a reasonable belief someone's life is in danger and there's no time to wait for a warrant to search a place, for instance, it might still be okay anyhow. But in the vast majority of cases, that would be the exception, and whether the fruit of a poisonous tree thing comes into play should be decided by the courts, not the police.

As for the January 6th folks, they may have gotten a pardon for their activities at the Capitol, but the warrants that were created to look for additional evidence were 100% valid and the pardon doesn't change that.

I don't blame them for trying to weasel out of additional criminal activities, but in my opinion, they shouldn't be allowed to. If Trump wants to give them a free pass for those other criminal activities, he just needs to give them another pardon. He's still president, and he still has that power. If not, the additional crimes that were discovered should stand.

Have we come to an agreement? =)

And the whole pardoning system needs to be reformed, but that's only possible through a constitutional amendment which seems pretty unlikely.

-- Ryan
Re: Elections have Unintended Consequences
Board: It's Politics as Usual
Reply to: #1037600 by Green Tortuga
Mar 10, 2025 8:32pm
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Have we come to an agreement? =)

And the whole pardoning system needs to be reformed, but that's only possible through a constitutional amendment which seems pretty unlikely.

Well, we don't agree on all of what you posted, but we do agree on this last paragraph. We have agreed on this before. And you may be the only person on your (general) side that has reached an occasional agreement with me and/or me agreeing with you.

I would like for us to be able to come to a consensus with a larger group in this forum.
Re: Spring Grove again
Board: State: Ohio
Reply to: #1037591 by RDHG
Mar 11, 2025 3:05am
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Seems like most of the letterboxers in this area (Greater Cincinnati) have moved on, so the Spring Grove boxes are slowly disappearing

If I were to make a list now, I'd do a search for Sprihng Grove Cemetery and another search for boxes using the address. Tag them all the same color, run another search for that tag, sorting by last found date and compile the list from there.

If you are coming to Spring grove, definitely get a map. I am happy to mail a copy. I've also printed it out and taken it to Office Max and had it enlarged when we were planning a day in SG. For me, part of the fun is planning a route

If you are looking for a box-dense area in Ohio, as much as I love Spring Grove, I highly recommend Cleveland--with Chil E so active, the boxes are generally well maintained and in place. Lakeview is an amazing cemetery and there are fantastic boxes in and around the city.

Greenlawn in Columbus is also a good option. Probably similar to Spring Grove in box maintenance at this point. (I prefer Spring Grove, as it is more of a park, also, but that is a personal bias)

I'm happy to help as I can and I would love to meet up with any of you if the timelines allow!!
Re: And now, instead of politics....
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #1037562 by MissMoon
Mar 11, 2025 5:42am
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I haven’t seen it, but we have a pair of breeding eagles in my town. Over the weekend, I was at the general area where they nest (I was looking for a trumpeter swan, actually) and saw the pair flying around. Bald eagles have such an amazing comeback story here in Massachusetts!
NEW NC EVENT LISTED! And I'm pretty excited about it...
Board: State: North Carolina
Mar 11, 2025 6:32am
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Hey yall!!! So, I've been stewing for a long time and I'm finally pulling the trigger. I'm planning my first event! Years and years worth of fun ideas are all swirling in my head and the theme is AGRICULTURE! Think farming, homesteading, and of course farmers markets!

We will have all the standard goodies such as a nice event stamp, tabletop boxes, temporary "day-of" boxes, additional permanent plants, LTC swap.... BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE.... how about a big nice raffle, a SEED/PLANT swap, and more surprises to be announced. I can't let all my secrets out at once, can I? Nope!

Here's the Cleveland's Farmers Market event page

Here's the Stamp Donation Tracker

We still have a year to go, but I hope to see you all there!
Re: And now, instead of politics....
Board: Yakking It Up
Reply to: #1037603 by Rocklun
Mar 11, 2025 11:45am
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Croton Point Park, near where I live is a big breeding area. It’s a favorite place for birders with their humongous lenses.

And being near the Hudson River there are always lots of different kinds of birds.
Re: NEW NC EVENT LISTED! And I'm pretty excited about it...
Board: State: North Carolina
Reply to: #1037604 by PeachysaurusRex
Mar 11, 2025 12:30pm
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Signed up and hope I can go! The event falls on my 17th letterboxing anniversary.

So, I've been stewing for a long time and I'm finally pulling the trigger. I'm planning my first event!

That's where I am at, too. I have hosted a couple of mini meets and helped with a few events in NC and maybe up here in MI. However, the urge to host one has been strong lately.
Re: Posting image to event listing?
Board: Letterboxing Help Desk
Reply to: #1037532 by Mim
Mar 11, 2025 6:05pm
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I agree..... where is this event??
Re: NEW NC EVENT LISTED! And I'm pretty excited about it...
Board: State: North Carolina
Reply to: #1037604 by PeachysaurusRex
Mar 11, 2025 6:24pm
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I don't know if this is in bad taste or not, but I made an Amazon wishlist for some items I'd like to have for our raffle.

https://www.amazon.com/hz/wishlist/ls/32364YFB4JO0E?ref_=wl_share

If you'd like to donate any of these, you can purchase off of the list and send it as a gift to my address. And IF YOU DO, write us a little note with your trailname on the gift note and I'll present it as "donated by ___".

Thank you all so much! I'm already supercharged by all of the stamp donation offers too!
Looking for an OLD map
Board: State: Connecticut
Mar 11, 2025 6:46pm
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Does anyone have an OLD trail map of Oswegatchie Hills Nature Preserve in Niantic, CT that shows the OLD PINK TRAIL?? Please AQ me. :-)

Thanks much.
Re: Store bought stamps
Board: Letterbox Chatter
Reply to: #905303 by Oberon_Kenobi
Mar 12, 2025 12:12pm
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"Hello, my baby. Hello, my honey. Hello, my ragtime gal."

Are you mocking me!?

Why, I never...
sk803 45" 1mm (micro) v-tool
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Mar 12, 2025 5:12pm
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It doesn't come with a handle! or mine didn't any way. I got one of these after reading several people recommended them on one of these boards. can some one tell me or pretty please link me the handle for it?
Re: sk803 45" 1mm (micro) v-tool
Board: Stamp Carving and Mounting
Reply to: #1037613 by Porras Posse
Mar 12, 2025 5:29pm
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It depends on which handle you want!

They have a palm handle (I personally dislike these because of how I hold the gouge), long “power” handle (not the most comfortable but works for now), and an Abs handle (which I haven’t tried but am considering buying to see if it’s better than the long one)

Hope that helps! :)